Lost

fabulousfreesia · Post by **fabulousfreesia** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:05 am

This is what I meant when I wrote the last sentence.

I saw the first four minutes of the first episode and ... in fact, there is practically nothing to be said for sure;) Well, maybe a little.

Matsui · Post by **Matsui** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:53 am

I wrote a statement with a minimum of spoilers, but in my opinion it gave away a bit. I don't want to spoil anyone's fun, it's important that LOST is back and is doing well, there will be lots of action.

Devil Baby · Post by **Devil Baby** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:55 am

So Abocaj (Jacob's enemy, as I used to call him) is clearly Smoke too. He also said he wanted to go home, so I guess I was quite right. So I will develop my theory about the future where the AI ??being a cloud of nanomachines could get out of control. Most likely, it was sent into some kind of time loop at the last minute, or something ... at least - to an island where it is cut off from its reality. And now he is trying to get out of it, go back to his time. Perhaps Jacob was the ranger who would somehow keep her on the island. I still have no new idea why Jacob's Nemesis can't just kill him other than that it would be useless and had to be done by someone outside the loop.

And it looks like two alternate realities have developed. Perhaps the one in which everything is ok will be the final, happy-ending, and what we see on the island is 'only' a dramatic ending of a torn time loop ... if this loop exists at all;)

Hmmm ... interesting. Said may turn out to be both himself, Abocai (although he assumed only the bodies of dead people arriving from outside the island), or finally Jacob, although of course he would only have to gradually take control of his body. Okay, possibly the same "infection" that caused Rousseau to kill her own. Anyway, Claire looked a bit like the new Rousseau.

As for Richard, he probably also comes from the Temple, where this wonderful water probably gives everyone longevity ... and regenerates tissues (or at least it was probably the case before the events of these episodes). This reminds me of an old book from the world of Magic the Gathering Time Streams, where after the explosion of the time machine, zones of different lapse of time and water flowing from the free-lapse zones were created, somehow retained its properties and those who drank it regularly did not age. Perhaps this water works in a similar way, plus a regenerative effect, and since it probably also enters the environment of the entire island, through air, plants, rivers, etc., it also heals various diseases, including cancer (though why not Ben's cancer? Maybe Jacob or Abocaj called it on purpose to help fate for some reason? ... or simply Lost's creators forgot about it?;)).

And the Shark! ^^

Miles 'heard' after Juliet died that she said 'made it'. It could have been a ploy to add to the drama and mean nothing special ... or all the characters will have to die for their selves to return to that happy-end reality, so it's possible that by the end of the story they will be falling like flies

Aaron wondered for me ... maybe there is nothing behind him, but I think that the creators of LOST are preparing a surprise here. Maybe she's supposed to be the new body of the dead Jacob? Maybe Abocaj 'kidnapped' Claire because he couldn't finish the kid off himself (just like he couldn't touch Jacob) and thought that by taking his mother away, he would be destined to die?

One more thing - or maybe Jacob is the same SI too ??? And the bodies they both had on the island a long time ago were the bodies of people they had 'possessed' even earlier in the previous Game (or rather which they had assumed)?
It may be that one AI has become the guardian of another that, in their time and reality, has spun out of control. Finally - it may not be a question of health water retaining the properties of the forces affecting time ...
What if these are Jacob's nanomachines that have spread in the island's environment - they are healing nanomachines (Jacob is an island in terms of its properties and 'will' by the way). After all, this is one of the uses foreseen for them in the future. Most of Jacob's nanomachines, however, would still be in the water inside the Temple, and that was Said's only hope for that. On the other hand, it seems that the water turned rusty and stopped working when they got there, which may indicate that after Jacob's death, most of his nanomachines have been destroyed and it is possible that a couple of the remaining functioning have made contact with Hurley. .

Abocaj's AI could crash, or just make sense of XD and start destroying people, killing them instead of healing them. And that's why she was kicked out of her time ...

The circle of ash may not be ash, although I would be more inclined to the fact that it is a programmed part of Smoke-Monster's AI, a security that he could not bypass, and which does not allow it to cross clearly marked circles (or maybe just gray lines, because I think they poured out a line before entering the Temple).

Perhaps one cannot kill the other, because being AI they have some kind of hook on themselves (or something analogous to a short circuit would happen), and they would both die.
By the way, it looks like Jacob can leave the island and thus know the secret of time travel (is he a guardian ?!) while his enemy, like a prisoner, is limited to it.

Jacob, perhaps out of boredom, brings more people to the island, while Abocaj tries to use it to z
alicia of that, tearing out the secret of time travel (possibly to reach an already unguarded time machine), which will allow him to go back to his time and kick a few asses.

Pensmug · Post by **Pensmug** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:42 am

The fourth episode of the sixth series is behind me.
Finally, some more or less true answers are given.

Woland · Post by **Woland** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 11:49 am

Everything is moving towards the finale more and more and each episode is watched with more and more pleasure. If the pace is so perfect all the time, then after the season 6 finale I am starting to complete the entire series on dvd.

To think - ABC station wanted to somehow fill the void after LOST, whose audience was weakening after all. She has released two intriguing titles (FlashForward and V), but LOST is one and only. Currently, it is probably one of the best serials on network television.

SPOILERS NON-HAZARDOUS:
As for the "apparitions" of Episode 4: who was this boy? The names in the cave - nice. Nie-Locke is a pretty good manipulator and has a pretty good ally on his side. END OF THE SPOILER

General reflection: Ben Linus. Since he appeared on the show, it got really interesting straight away) "My name is Henry Gale, from Minnesota"). Especially since it grew from episode to episode as an incredibly intriguing master of puppets. I am a bit saddened by the process of his degradation to the role of "one of many".

Puzzling threads (but maybe because of my inattention):

- children from the flight that crashed (in the first episode) - what happened to them?

- other Other from the temple - what is their relationship to the original Others (those who wandered around the jungle and turned out to be Different from Ben)? In one of the episodes of season 1 or 2, survivors were hiding in the jungle and others were passing by their hideout (among them was a child who was dragging a teddy bear)? Were they Others From the Temple or Others From Ben? Or maybe there is no difference between them? If so, why was there a nativity scene pretending to be the Dharma Initiative? Dharma was probably just a project that got caught up in an island situation that he had no idea about.

- alternative (?) reality - it's just such a game ("what if"), will it have an ending? The Shipwrecked Who Didn't Get Shipwrecked will form the Dharma Project (with Hugo's money ...) and somehow return to the island? No, that would be a crap, because we've all seen what happened to the island in the remote ... My brain is about to weaken.

MORT's hypothesis regarding the identity of FLock or Nie-Lock (it sounds nicer to me there) has not been verified negatively or positively so far. I remember the barriers that protected the settlement. They emitted some field or sounds that held Something back. Perhaps this indicates the biological nature of It?

Anansi · Post by **Anansi** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:33 pm

Maybe it's a new body for Jacob;) Maybe not Jacob will need time to take it over. Okay, it's overwhelmed.
Before, I thought there was a third party to make the rules. I was targeting the monster, but since he turned out to be who he turned out to be, it's possible that the third one is someone else.
It's hard to say, the more that a new character can appear in the series almost at every step. The kid could be, for example, an envoy. (Who is this third, if any? Third nanomachine cloud?; P.
Maybe I thought there were some kids in the temple, maybe Jacob wanted to save them from trouble and had them kidnapped and put in the temple.
There must be a difference. Ben has no idea about the temple. Only Richard seems to be aware of her existence, so it can be assumed that he is from there, he belongs to the higher circle of initiation into what is happening on the island.
Dharma, it was probably just a scientific project of people who found the trace of the island and wanted to study its properties. Ben, after becoming the leader of the Others, maybe he just chose to take advantage of the comforts she provided. Why wander in the jungle, if you can have running water, ironed shirt etc ...
Apparently, however, the monster was not so 'bad' before, if they wandered around this jungle ... (or it was an oversight of the creators;))

And I will probably withdraw from the theory that everyone has to die in order for their selves to fully return to the second reality;) The supposedly dead Juliet said that 'we made it', but ... on the other hand, we have already seen, for example, a dead doctor Artz, or whatever, and he remembered nothing from that life (similar to Locke, anyway). On the third hand, from time to time Jack or Kate seem to feel something ... but maybe it is just a trick to confuse the thoughts of the poor viewers. I already have a headache
Exactly. Moreover, he claimed in E04 that he once knew what love was, he knew what it was like to lose someone, that he was also a person, balbalba ... What can mean, for example, the imprisonment of the human mind in nanomachines ^^
Maybe the SI wasn't there, just somehow these nanorobots were controlled remotely, and then an accident happened;)
Either way, we must remember that what is hidden under Lock's skin may deliberately lie to those he wants to recruit. He wants to get them to his side, so NieLock didn't have to be human at all (unless he was initially something of an AI capable of love, like in Aldiss's Super Toys and later in a movie based on those stories). This accident on the cliff also struck me as suspicious. Maybe it was also a trick to get S. to your side ...
The barriers seem to emit a field of vibrations of some frequency that can kill a human being, which does not mean that the machine will not move either.
We saw NieLock turn into a cloud (we didn't actually see it exactly, but we did see it melt into thin air). Likewise, after he himself had thrown Jacob's body into the fire in the hearth, there was nothing left of the body but ash. Hence I suppose both of them must be of exactly the same nature.

Interestingly, it seems that Jacob, in choosing the people to go to the island, had to somehow be able to determine that in ordinary reality their fates would be tangled.

Irakhash · Post by **Irakhash** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:21 pm

The fifth episode is behind me. So average. Something seems to have slowed down, although it always takes a few such episodes to build up the whole thing.

Veldrin · Post by **Veldrin** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:23 pm

I didn't particularly like the lighthouse moment. The authors, however, anticipated this disappointment and the questions of angry fans, why no one has seen her before ... jokes.

But my theory about the mass death of the island's inhabitants (probably in addition to the new ranger, or whoever Jacob is looking for) may come true

It looks like all the people at the temple will die and only Sayid will survive, possibly joining NieLock.

Perhaps NieLock is also looking for someone to replace it. (He has influenced so far Claire, Sayid, and apparently Rousseau as well.)

Hawking · Post by **Hawking** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:28 pm

The next episode disappointed me a bit. He wasn't angry - you can see the fronts settling in before the final, but I feel sorry for Ben. The coolest manipulator, master of puppets, the most fascinating villain on a TV series ever, and is that what?

And besides: I can actually order seasons 1 to 5 on DVD. Because LOST is the most confusing, most fascinating mass series on TV. Even if the final will be ... "controversial".

Sylfil · Post by **Sylfil** » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:40 pm

A lot of action is a plus. It only irritates me a bit that everyone walks in and out of the temple as they please. Apparently, it is partially justified, but not always ... When Kate came back there, nobody really bothered, nobody grabbed her, didn't ask ... You can see that this tip is made 'fast' to finish. At least this is my impression that the authors will not make any effort to ensure that everything has the hallmarks of maximum realism.
However, it has been shown that Ben has a better side as well, which is not so bad IMO at all. He could have gone with Locke, and yet he finally chose (perhaps) right, unlike what we would expect. And the fact that all the main machinists have been reduced to the role of the 'next character' is understandable as we have entered the higher ranks of Jacob-NieLock. By the way, there is still the mysterious Widmore.
I was surprised that Ben knew Dogen (Japanese) from the Temple. Though he might have heard about him from Ilana, of course, but it might not be easy to recognize a body floating upside down in the rusty water ...
The end of the episode is terribly secondary. I am tired of those meetings-old-friends-on-the-beach with-touching-music ... It was a good time, a second time, now irritating.
It's interesting that, according to Richard, detonating yourself wouldn't work. I would like to see how it would consist of those scraps of hot meat again. : P But the scene was even nice.

And when developing the theory about nanomachines, who knows if Miles's gift is also not related to them and Jacob's 'gift'. Especially since it can only read the last thoughts of a dead person. Though it surprised me that Jacob's ashes also managed to use this art, unless, of course, there are nanomachines still working.